Morons & Oxymorons: On Male Feminists

This is an open letter about men who claim to be feminist and to the women who believe them.

This letter is directed at women who — without any analysis or criteria — believe men who claim to be feminist. This letter is not directed at anybody else, so please ensure that you are indeed a member of the intended audience before replying. This letter has been written with the cooperation of 28 radical feminists, all of whom should be familiar to those who frequent radical feminist spaces. We are rather serious about a rather serious harm being committed with impunity.

First, you need to know why we have a valid reason for being concerned about the behavior of self-identified feminist men within feminist spaces, and our answer is simple: We have identified the subtle mechanisms utilized by “pro-feminist” men to divide and conquer, to erase the commonality from all women within feminist spaces, and whose cumulative effect results in a gross marginalization of the radical feminist position. We are not the only women to notice a problem. Megan Milanese brilliantly describes most of the tactics in her blog post about fauxminism and men — yet that list does not go far enough to analyze the extent of the problem.

So why should an erasure of the commonality inherent to all women matter to anyone besides radical feminists? Lucky Nickel makes the relevant connection for us:

Self-naming and self-identified labels mean nothing. There must be substance to the label they identify with and substance to who they claim to be. Otherwise folks can insist on calling a mouse a giraffe or claim rape is really love.

What I do think important to note is that liberals, lesbian separatists and radical feminists are all flying the radfem flag these days. The problem being, they are 3 separate and distinct political groups and ideologies, 2 of whom are inappropriately waving the radfem flag. It can get a bit tricky tho with lesbian separatists as radical feminists can also be lesbian separatists. But not all lesbians are radfems and not all radfems are lesbian separatists, or even lesbian for that matter. But in Julian Real’s case, that would be irrelevant. The dude is not a lesbian or radical feminist.

What the dude is, is a liberal. And what he is attempting to do is appropriate the radical feminist label in order to inject liberal ideology. Equality politics are liberal politics, not radical feminist politics. Radical feminists seek liberation from men and their system, not equality. Liberals focus on differences between women. Radical feminists focus on the commonality of women. Needless to say, these 2 different ideologies conflict and clash. Which delights men like Julian Real to no end. Cuz if he keeps liberal women pitted against radical feminist women, it keeps women from unifying, which in turn keeps the heat off of pricks like him and men in general. Slick, no?

In talking to each other privately, we have decided to collectively communicate the following message regarding men such as Julian Real, Hugo Schwyzer, and other men like them, who claim to be feminist allies.

These men do not speak for women as well as we can speak for ourselves and we ask that women give radical feminist bloggers the respect of reading our words, joining the discussion in comments on our blogs, and contributing to our own community rather than giving energy to men who seek to divide us on points which all feminists have in common. Men exhibiting these behaviors have inserted themselves into discussions among women when their participation was insidiously harmful in nature and we ask that you not support that behavior nor make excuses for it.

Women working together, apart from the men who seek to divide us, can create something that only women can create.

In solidarity with other radical feminists, all women seeking a true feminist discussion among women, and ultimately, all women.

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15 thoughts on “Morons & Oxymorons: On Male Feminists

  1. Nicky

    That’s like twanz who think they know what it means to be a feminist. It’s s such as joke when they make a fool out of themselves all the time.


  2. parallelexistence

    Just catching up a bit here, but you know that Hugo has recently added to his list of “true life confessions of a narcissist woman-user” series by declaring he once nearly murdered his girlfriend ? Hasn’t seemed to affect his job or much else he does though.


  3. Annette Guilding

    This whole blog is just horrific. Never dare step foot in my city (Manchester, UK) You will NOT be welcomed by the feminists here. At all. So what, you think that because you’re oppressed as a woman it gives you free reign to oppress others in turn? Fuck you and you’re twisted version of feminism!


  4. DaveSquirrel Post author

    LOL, talk to the twanzphobic hand
    And yes, have been to Manchester many times… you have teh twanzphobic there too, poor dear.

    Not sure why you identify as a feminist, you seem far more concerned with tranz. That would make you a TRANZACTIVIST. So yanno, don’t waste everyone’s time, identify as the right thing.


  5. DaveSquirrel Post author

    No Nicky, this is a deluded feminist, who is in reality a tranzactivist, because she puts females second after tranz. Feminism, true feminism, not the faux kind, is the only political movement that puts females FIRST.
    If these women want to dote over twanz, sure go ahead, but call yourselves by the proper name, transactivist.


  6. Nicky

    True and any women or lesbian who enables these tranz, should not be welcomed their spaces and should be blacklisted for enabling the demise of Women and lesbian


  7. Isabelle P-Taylor (@IsabellePTaylor)

    This really makes me want to cry. I just do not understand the outpouring of hatred towards people who have done nothing to deserve your derision. How can you justify your behaviour? As a woman myself, I am ashamed to see comments such as “…any women or lesbian who enables these tranz, should not be welcomed their spaces and should be blacklisted for enabling the demise of Women and lesbian”. Who are you to say that I am ‘enabling the demise of women’? I AM a woman. I understand that you have a right to hold such strong and unpleasant opinions, but don’t ever think that you speak for ‘the good of all women’ because you have absolutely no claim to that, and I do not want to be associated with anyone who can come out with such supremacist bile. And please realise that in publishing such posts on the internet, you give others the right to judge you for your words.


  8. DaveSquirrel Post author

    This really makes me want to cry.
    zmog, you are an M2T twanzwoman aren’t you – you cannot help but to give it away within the first sentence. The rest of your ramble I will ignore, except for:

    I do not want to be associated with anyone who can come out with such supremacist bile.
    Nice reversal there dude. Just in case you were not aware, radical feminists are not in charge of anything (except maybe themselves). A few token libfems may be in government, and they are in the minority anyway and frequently adhere to the male party line. The concept that females, and in particular radical feminists, are supremacists is not only a joke, but a pure and utter reversal that seeks to totally erase the oppression faced from cradle to grave of those born female.

    The fact that you comment on this post of all posts, one that addresses males within radical feminism as allies – just LOL. There are a gazillion tranz-specific posts on this blog, and you cannot even get it right to protest your pro-tranz views on a relevant thread. That kinda makes you an idiot. Don’t let the door hit you on the ass on the way out. ciao.


  9. DaveSquirrel Post author

    Annette Guilding says:
    5 February, 2012 at 14:34

    This whole blog is just horrific. Never dare step foot in my city (Manchester, UK) You will NOT be welcomed by the feminists here. At all. So what, you think that because you’re oppressed as a woman it gives you free reign to oppress others in turn? Fuck you and you’re twisted version of feminism!

    Well, lets see shall we? I assume you were involved or planning to attend the “Feminism Up North” (FUN) conference/workshops, which was open to twanzwomen, except for the sexual assault workshops – and now there is a huge kerfuffle from twanz because of it – they are planning to shut you down unless twanz get access to that workshop. So guess what? Both regular dudes and twanzwomen do NOT respect women’s boundaries, neither have any clue what it is like to be raised female from birth and have to navigate life in a sexually predatory environment.

    There is no compromise or understanding to be reached with twanz, and that could not be clearer in their protests over the FUN workshops, just because ONE workshop of the total excluded them. Don’t say we didn’t warn you.

    Still pro-tranz are you???


  10. hearthrising

    I’m so sorry this post did not meet your intended audience and got diverted to a trans issue. The “men can be feminists” trope needs to be engaged and debunked with the feminist-lite crowd. Maybe try it as a guest on another blog.


  11. DaveSquirrel Post author

    It was not my post, but written by a collective of radfems and reblogged on quite a few radfem blogs.

    And whoops, a typo in my reply to Annette G. “Feminism Up North” is actually “Women Up North” (WUN). There was a group of feminists in Manchester calling themselves “Feminists Up North” a few years, not sure if they are still around, but possibly, given the closeness of the name of the conference.


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