Twanzsplainer of the Week: Ashlie

Poor widdle twanzsplainers, they do get so confused sometimes.


But at least I get to chuckle about what is in my moderation queue.

Yesterday, for the Tootsie post, I got this comment, from Ashlie Tokesky from Michigan USA:

You know absolutely nothing about the birth defect that is transsexualism. It has been proven that transsexual people have the brain structure of the gender we say we are. If you had any empathy whatsoever, you would not think these horrible things. You are all deluded, hateful people who have no idea what equality is. Your baseless propaganda will never prevail over concrete evidence and professional opinions.
http: [boring evo-med article about BST volume on a statistically minute survey sample]
http: [same shit]

Check out all the references to professionals from around the world. You can make up all the lies you want about transsexual people, but beware, you are making fun of people with birth defects and you are a bigot.

– Ashlie, a transsexual FAB

Well, the first gem here is that Ashlie claims to be a “transsexual FAB”. No such thing honeypie. FAB or FAAB stands for Female Assigned at Birth and covers biological/genetic females (XX, the majority of females) and intersex persons who are brought up as female (various combinations like XXY etc) but these are a small percentage.

If you are a “FAB” who is a “transsexual” then you are a “transman” or F2T, and because you have defected into playing the role of man, you cannot speak on behalf of those of use still subject to daily misogyny.

If you are a “transwoman” then FAB does not apply to you dingbat, you were MAB/MAAB. Get over it. You do not have the internal kit as above, you were not treated like a second class citizen from birth. You are not “one of the girls” no matter how hard you pretend to be, in fact, the harder you insist you are, the less likely you are like “one of the girls”. Get over it.

As for the brain studies – most of which have to be done on corpses, and taking sex steriods for a prolonged period automatically renders any such study as null and void anyway. None of these studies is much further removed from the old brain studies they used to do on homosexual males to “prove” either homosexual brains were different, or the Quest for the Gay Gene. So what if your two links try to discount sexual orientation (this time!).

“You are all deluded, hateful people who have no idea what equality is.”

See above for what FAB actually means. Plus you are twanzsplaining to a bunch of feminists, subject to misogyny and discrimination for all their lives, and you have the nerve to suggest we know nothing about equality struggles? This is the part that earns you the Eeejit of the Week award. Congratulations, your award is in the post.

“you would not think these horrible things”

Nice of you to become the Thought Police.

“Your baseless propaganda will never prevail over concrete evidence and professional opinions.”

It is not “baseless propaganda”. The categories of female and male are sexual reproductive categories – that is it. The terms “woman” and “man” refer to the adult human varies of the sexual reproductive categories. Everything else, including clothing, make-up, behaviour attributes, etc, are part and parcel of the gender roles (or sex roles). Sorry sunshine, these are societal constructs. Which brings us to your next point:

“the birth defect that is transsexualism”

There is no “birth defect” in rebelling against the prescribed societal constructs of gender roles. By that definition, feminists should be “trans” – but they are not. We seek to rid the world of these societal constructs of gender, gender roles, and discrimination. You are running fairly fast and loose with the definition of “birth defect“. Nice try for getting the sympathy vote, but it does not wash with me.

“but beware, you are making fun of people with birth defects and you are a bigot”

Gee, now that is a first, the male-born name-calling females to silence them. Do take your gender essentialist bullshit and put it where the sun don’t shine.

And do some more reading too, before you come here trying to twanzsplain your “but we were born that way” bullshit. I really don’t give a fuck that you disliked the role of masculinity*, neither do I, but that does not mean you win the Oppression Olympics just because you say you do. You’ve been “a woman” for all of five minutes, discovered that misogyny sucks, insist that it is twanzphobia and that you are a special snowflake that is more discriminated against than females who have been treated as second class all their lives, and expect that we drop everything (our equality, our human rights) just so you can play pretty dress-ups? Fuck that noise.

You see, I have an “internal identity” too. Dave the Squirrel. I demand that you acknowledge my internal identity lest I call you a bigot. See how that works?

*Unlike you however, I also hate the role of femininity too.

44 thoughts on “Twanzsplainer of the Week: Ashlie

  1. FAB Libber / Dave the Squirrel Post author

    Ashlie, you need to get together with Alan Brain, another self-proclaimed “woman”, you can share boring and irrelevant medical crap together. I am sure you will have a wow of a time. Perhaps you can even claim that a bee sting caused your transformation? It’s all the rage babe!
    http://gendertrender.wordpress.com/2011/06/07/do-bee-stings-cause-sex-changes/

    Still won’t put you in the female-from-birth category though. Oh the shame of it all…

    Like

    Reply
  2. Sargasso Sea

    transsexual FAB

    Somebody (Ashlie with the requisite *i*) is not exactly clear on the subject of being FAB now is he?

    FAB is not about the *ness*; there is no aquired FABness. And that’s because most folks count “birth” as the moment you emerged from your mother’s “birth canal” (aka her “biologically functioning vagina”) NOT the moment when you decided that you have a little girl living inside your bwain.

    Sincerely,
    Female Assigned at Birth *Bigot* 🙄

    Like

    Reply
  3. FAB Libber / Dave the Squirrel Post author

    The twanzsplainers get so used to twisting and appropriating all other arguments to fit the twanz world view, that they don’t realise that the radfems will have none of it.

    FAB is a term invented by radfems, you morons.

    Like

    Reply
  4. ball buster

    Holy shit, great takedown FAB. The level of their hypocrisy is incredible isn’t it? They want it both ways – they want to be seen as both organic women yet transsexuals. Nu uh. They were born male, period, and what they neglect to mention is that it takes the brain twenty to thirty years to form the white matter in places associated with gender. This is direct evidence that gender is SOCIALIZED not inborn (duh) and arguments otherwise are unfeminist and misogynistic. But then, they’re MABs so I don’t expect much more from them anyway.

    Like

    Reply
  5. KatieS

    “FAB is a term invented by radfems, you morons.”

    Perhaps the error was in thinking it was short for “FABulously feminine.” You know, like painted finger and toenails, high heels, glittery clothing, lipstick. 😉

    Like

    Reply
  6. jilla

    “Your baseless propaganda will never prevail over concrete evidence and professional opinions.”

    Which would be where? Feministe? Or maybe, Shakesville–the You-scratch-my-made-up-disability-and-I’ll-scratch-yours-blog?

    I think they’re removing the wrong organ in these genital/brain mismatch corrections. Of course, that would be because the remover doesn’t know his ass from a tea-kettle either.

    Like

    Reply
  7. Noanodyne

    Those transplainers sure do use a bunch of hackneyed putdowns — the ones that have long since lost their cred because we live in an up-is-down, war-is-peace kinda world. Ashlie and his ilk don’t want “equality,” they want to be the speshulest, speshulest snowflakes in all the land. “Bigots” are all those people who just can’t get behind supporting all that speshulness as the very linchpin in the fight for actual equality.

    (Check your dictionary, Ashlie, the word doesn’t mean what you think it does, you speshul little snowflake you. You’d hate having to share the same status as actual females, that’s why you’re here transplaining at us, you certainly don’t believe WE have equality with YOU.)

    Like

    Reply
  8. cherryblossomlife

    “but beware”

    I’ve never heard a female writing or saying that in my life.

    I intend to use it at least once a week from now on

    [I realize I’ll end up getting burned at the stake for witchcraft, but to taste the privilege behind the words “but beware” will make it worth it)

    Liked by 1 person

    Reply
  9. FAB Libber / Dave the Squirrel Post author

    I’ve never heard a female writing or saying that in my life.

    M2T always out themselves as male-born & raised when they open their mouths (like Serano) or when they type stuff. Also, what they don’t realise is threats from the male-born … we’ve had more of those than hot dinners, so much so, that initially, the “beware!!” did not even show up on my radar.

    There is that *new* saying – you can take the prick off the dude, but you can’t take the prick out of the dude.

    *It is brand new. I just made it up. 😛

    Like

    Reply
  10. ibleedpurple

    So… if two cultures have different concepts of gender would that actually mean that there is a racial genetic difference seeing as gender is in your brain? This shit is dangerous stuff- all doors are open to white supremacy since you could argue that all those brown folks are doing gender wrong. I would really like for some trans to lose their narcisissm and realize what they will be forced to argue once the going gets tought. You cannot have both: gender as completely changeable and gender as in-born do not go together.

    Like

    Reply
  11. FAB Libber / Dave the Squirrel Post author

    Yes indeedy, cultural differences of gender – it is everywhere if you look for it. Like, males/men wear dresses in some countries. Also, different attributes are assigned to female/male in different countries.

    Stuff like colour preferences (and even the concept of assigning colour to different sexes) is completely cultural. Yet we hear twanz say “since I was 4 I loved pretty pink sparkly shit and playing with dollies!!”. Even toys are societally gendered (dumbasses). I used to play with “girls toys” and “boys toys” as a kid (and probably more “boy toys”) – so does this mean I am some sort of gendered hermaphrodite??? Or does it mean, more rightly, that the arbitrary assigning of toys into female/male categories is completely stupid and inane?

    Thinking is pretty thin on the ground in twanzland.

    Oh, and I really like the comment that KatieS just made over at BevJo’s:

    If they were secure in their beliefs that they are women, they would not need to threaten and stalk. The very act of doing this shows that they, too, know it’s a sham. They know that they are not women. Somehow, getting females to go along with the sham is supposed to make it real. It never will because it never can.

    I’d be happy for them if they could be secure in their desire to to dress as a gender role other than the one the culture assigned to them. Obviously they see there is a lot wrong with masculine gender roles and they don’t want to be that role. They are right about that! They don’t have to claim to be the same as females. If they dressed in ways the culture says men shouldn’t dress and still claimed to be men, it might actually help get rid of the rigidity of those roles. Everyone could dress as they pleased.

    Why not say that you reject masculine roles? That would be way braver than attacking women who are standing up for ourselves.

    http://bevjoradicallesbian.wordpress.com/2011/03/15/bev-jo-radical-lesbian-writing/#comment-107

    Because that is EXACTLY where it is at – reject the cult of masculinity by all means – but, just don’t think that the opposite of masculinity is femininity – they are two sides of the same damn coin. Reject both.

    Like

    Reply
  12. Sargasso Sea

    Hey David Thomas Steven Squirrelman!

    It just occurred to me that the only “birth defect” Ashlie (with the requisite *i*) has is an inability to grasp the basics of what we call the “Scientific Method”. Now that is a crying shame.

    Like

    Reply
  13. survivorthriver

    I’ve enjoyed y’all on this topic, and am so glad to have the confusion-be-gone sprayed on the FAB/MAB/F2T/M2T situation and this Ashlie blab get straightened out. Hope it’s okay to bust into the thread, but I really think this investigation and discussion was illuminating!

    I posted in my other fave radfem blog – about my deceased dyke friend whose girlfriend tried to get her to undergo one of the first university female to male trans programs, would have been one of the early ones, back in the mid to late 1960’s. She remembers realizing her girlfriend (psychologist at the university) was more comfortable with her mutilating herself so that girlfriend would not have to define as a lesbian. Our dear girl had already took the testosterone, grew the hair, and did NOT like the aggressive changes in her emotional life, and, when time came for the double mastectomy she balked. She came so close to being a science experiment before she dropped out of the program. She told me that she did not see why she just couldn’t be a 450 pound, musician, lesbian riding a Harley, and it was the other people’s problem if they couldn’t handle her just as she was. I think it took a lot of strong womanliness for my friend to have resisted a $$ and misogynist medical culture that would rather she disappear, and spend a small fortune to the frankendokters, including undergoing the extreme painful surgery and lifelong hormone treatments that made her feel shitty. It creeped her out enough to bail out of the medical experiment. So, I was always suspicious of the whole surgical extremes , vaguely, but also wanting to be accommodating to a new victim group and not hurt their feelings. I’ve always made nice to manly womenz, but Ashlie’s ranting, threats and name calling are very revealing and thanks all for dissecting these points Dave, and all.

    Sheesh, no wonder I was so confused about the whole trans issue over the years, but radfems finally got the straight poop on it.

    Charly inside feels like an angleworm

    Like

    Reply
  14. jilla

    Yes! ibleedpurple. In the olden days it was all so boring with folks thinking they were Jesus or the Archangel Gabriel, but NOW with improved value added hormone fried brains and mortgage-loaded psyches and surgeons with nothing better to do, you can be the opposite sex. Don’t ask how the psyche profession managed to do an about face on this one, Jesus-you’re nuts/Ashley-you’re AshlieFAB!

    Just enjoy the show.

    Like

    Reply
  15. Mary Sunshine

    Ah, {{{Jilla}}}.

    Please somebody, stop me from getting into a fight with a tranny on facebook. Summer is so beautiful here and I want to be able to enjoy my life. (See how easy it is to suddenly make women responsible for your own well-being?) 😐

    Like

    Reply
  16. smash

    FAB libber, thanks for this post. Survivorthriver, thanks for your comment. It’s truly scary that your friend nearly went in for the surgery, and I’m so glad she didn’t do it.

    Like

    Reply
  17. GallusMag

    Oh Lordy- I just got a nearly identical comment on minez which I spammed “[snip] At a neurological level the brains of transgender people are more similar to the brains of their (self) identified gender than their assigned (birth) gender. To talk about choice in this context is as wrong as talking about choice in sexual orientation in the way that some fundamentalist church people do. I recommend scientific papers by Dr Milton Diamond of the University of Hawaii on transgender identity.”
    I spammed it cause I’m sooooo tired of responding to this worn out old trans trope. But I guess I better make time to write up a definitive response for myself for the Trans Tropes 101 site so I can just respond to these with a link. Might have to link to this post when I do. 😉
    The “Reproductive Brain” “Homosexual Brain” “Negroid Brain” studies have tried to prove a scientific basis for bigotry and inequality for a hundred years and have all failed miserably. But the trans keep trying.

    Like

    Reply
  18. GallusMag

    The same commenter also repeated the same “Appeal to Authority” trope as yours too:
    ” Any treatment for full transition requires professional endorsement and it isn’t just an industry to get more business for doctors.”
    The “Brain Gender” and “Appeal 2 Authority” tropes go hand in hand.

    Like

    Reply
  19. GallusMag

    Trans is the only mental problem being “treated” with medically induced disability. Well at least since Lobotomy. It really is a medical human rights violation of the highest order.

    Like

    Reply
  20. FAB Libber / Dave the Squirrel Post author

    The “Reproductive Brain” “Homosexual Brain” “Negroid Brain” studies have tried to prove a scientific basis for bigotry and inequality for a hundred years and have all failed miserably. But the trans keep trying.

    But, you know what is so very very bizarro about all this, it is tranz themselves endorsing, promoting and spreading these “studies” (must always use scare quotes for these “studies”). Previous groups have always had these “studies” thrust upon them, but twanz are running towards these “studies” with open arms! Therefore, I have just finished The Dave Squirrel Internutz Behavioural Study of Twanz, and concluded that they are incredibly thick. Notice that I gave it a really long, important-sounding title, even if the “conclusions” could be a bit wild.

    These twanz that insist on promoting all these brain “studies” to “prove” gender in the brain think that radfems will be in awe of medical papers. Only the doctors with the gawd complexes think they are gawds, not us. Plus, add to all the previous, incredibly dubious brain “studies” along similar lines.

    Trans is the only mental problem being “treated” with medically induced disability.

    Yes, that is the other bizarro thing isn’t it? And a lot of it is surgical mutilation (as in many many botched jobs). Twanz are too busy telling off radfems to actually protest to the medical profession for higher standards. I refer back to The Dave Squirrel Internutz Behavioural Study of Twanz they are nutz. Which (more seriously) proves that this is a mental condition, they are too busy running around trying to convince everybody ELSE of their “gender incongruity” that they neglect the more important stuff of their “condition”. The condition they actually have is delusion, but with the important twist that they have to get everyone else to share in the same delusion.

    And their stories of “liking pink sparkly shit from the age of 4” does even less to convince me…

    Like

    Reply
  21. GallusMag

    Well Dave your graphic says it all. They want to claim that 1. there is a neurological form of reproductive sex 2. this speculative sex neurology (or neurology in general) trumps chromosomes, organs, endogenous endocrine systems and the reproductive system. 3. There is biological sex but it is unrelated to reproduction and located in the brain and of unknown function. It really is Genderist madness of the highest order- a true cult.

    Like

    Reply
  22. Sargasso Sea

    You might be able to get some funding through the International Association of Nut Farmers to further this “study” of yours, Dave.

    Just a thought.

    Like

    Reply
  23. survivorthriver

    “The Dave Squirrel Internutz Behavioural Study of Twanz” is great, but I bet you could subtitle that in your inimitable way to get really really long and scientificky! Go ahead, indulge the squirrel.

    “The Dave Squirrel Internutz Behavioural Study of Twanz: a birth defected, non-chromosomal anomaly responsible for illogical neurological displays of a self-identified situational selection of Barbie fashions as a cure when used in tandem with extreme surgical interventions of a bizarre nature.”

    I’m not as funny as you Dave, but gave it the college try!

    Like

    Reply
  24. FAB Libber / Dave the Squirrel Post author

    I likes “illogical neurological displays”. LOL

    Speaking of funding Sar, on GM’s latest post, I noticed that the hack-the-gay-outta-kids woman got funding for a worldwide trip to take photos (sounded more like a freebie holiday to me). I could do with a holiday. Must make my “study” global in order to see the sights… 😉

    Like

    Reply
  25. plasticgirl

    I wonder if it is the same misogynistic, twenty-something year old, terminally maabtastic Ashlie, who is or was attending Michigan State. I actually have seen some pretransition images of this person; who used to look a bit like Johnny of the Cobra Kai, from the movie Karate Kid, (still does, kinda) but with slightly darker hair, and about the same bullying attitude and doodly arrogance.

    “And their stories of “liking pink sparkly shit from the age of 4″ does even less to convince me…”

    I love you, and this post, Dave.

    “They want to claim that 1. there is a neurological form of reproductive sex 2. this speculative sex neurology (or neurology in general) trumps chromosomes, organs, endogenous endocrine systems and the reproductive system. 3. There is biological sex but it is unrelated to reproduction and located in the brain and of unknown function.”

    I 100% agree, GM. Very nice summary, btw.

    Like

    Reply
  26. rebel13

    If you are a “FAB” who is a “transsexual” then you are a “transman” or F2T, and because you have defected into playing the role of man, you cannot speak on behalf of those of use still subject to daily misogyny.

    Love it, Dave, love yer blog.

    Like

    Reply
  27. FAB Libber / Dave the Squirrel Post author

    Hiya PlasticGirl…
    nice posts re Michigan Womyns Festival on yer blog. I was wondering, given Ashlie’s location, whether he would attempt to infiltrate the event. Seems like a sport to many M2Ts, who try to attend as validation of their ‘passing’, yet their actions – when they are clearly not welcome – prove more of their MAB status. In the world of FABs, that is NOT passing.
    http://transhumanoid.wordpress.com/2011/03/13/trans-inclusion-mwmf/
    http://transhumanoid.wordpress.com/2011/06/09/michfest-is-for-wbw-only/

    Hiya Rebel13, nice to see you about again! Long time no hear.

    Like

    Reply
  28. T. Laurel Sulfate, Snarkurchin

    A) GENDER SCHMENDER.
    B) Calling it a birth defect is the opposite of helping your “cause.” I mean, I didn’t call you defective, YOU DID, you bigot!
    C) “Transsexual FAB”=makes no sense at all unless I read it as “a person who was deemed female at birth, but who has since transitioned,” i.e., an FtT. But apparently I’m supposed to believe that all those words mean the opposite of what they mean?

    Erica Artura Blair would be proud…I guess?

    Like

    Reply
  29. FAB Libber / Dave the Squirrel Post author

    LOL “gender schmender” how very technical (but I likes it, says exactly what it means!)
    Yes, even in their speak, a “transsexual FAB” has to be F2T. Jeez, it seems we actually know more about this than they do?

    Like

    Reply
  30. GallusMag

    Speaking of PlasticMan he’s all up into his crazy anorexic eating disorder now, making obsessive posts on his other (Anti-radfem) site about his dangerous submersion in crash dieting and body fixation. The sick sick fuck.
    Plastic Girl if you’re reading this, I am seriously going to remove you from my blogroll if you don’t CUT THE SHIT. YOUR SHALLOWNESS WILL KILL US ALL. STOP BEING A PSYCHO.
    Thanks Fab I feel better letting that out.

    Like

    Reply
  31. Lilly

    In my opinion plastic girls blog is very interesting to read. But I din’t know there is another blog (is this blog really anti feminist?).

    Like

    Reply
  32. plasticgirl

    That was really uncharitable, GM. I am doing a deliberate and controlled weight loss experiment for my own purposes, after not caring about my weight for years. I wanted to see if I still had the discipline, and the ability, to alter my shape at will. By mid fall, I will be back to being unconcerned about dieting.

    It’s really just a phase, and I strongly discouraged anyone from doing the same thing, for any reason. If one post you don’t agree with, on a blog you don’t have listed, is enough to get you to drop my other blog from your roll, what can I say to you? That does not seem the least bit “shallow” to you?

    I was so totally going to write a piece criticizing and denouncing all the threats you have received from some of my sisters, but your lack of sensitivity, or attention to the poignant details of my “psycho” activities completely took the wind out of my sails, for that.

    Like

    Reply
  33. GallusMag

    My criticism was very restrained. I never even mentioned how you said you studied Nazi concentration camp diets to design your diet program. Seriously, PG, get help.

    Like

    Reply
  34. myrtle

    Is this diet shit Ashley’s affectation of Anorexia, which is a disease almost 100 % diagnosed in girls?

    Like

    Reply
  35. Pingback: Blackface | twanzphobic since forever

  36. Andie McGrath

    i completely get the trolly-ness of this and other blogs, and i do genuinely lol w/ you on occassion. but i do wonder whether you ever stop to consider that we are victims of gender too, not in the same way as women are but in a very real and incredibly damaging way (suicide rates amongst trans people are pretty high). also as someone born male who lives not as a man i have an insight into the damage gender inflicts on women and society in general that i would never have had had i continued to live as male. sayin’

    Like

    Reply

Leave a rilly rilly twanzphobic reply, go on, dares ya!

Please log in using one of these methods to post your comment:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out / Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out / Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out / Change )

Google+ photo

You are commenting using your Google+ account. Log Out / Change )

Connecting to %s