More logic fails – Gardasil and sexual practices

Gardasil has long been a pet hate in radfem circles, even though it was primarily promoted to cut down on the number of cervical cancers (that part is a good thing).

When the vaccination roll-out first happened the programme was only targeting teenage girls. A bit of dumb concept considering heterosexual intercourse was the main transmission route of the Human Papillomavirus (HPV), linked to cervical cancer. Logic would dictate that if they were serious about it, they would be injecting the teenage boys as well, for a greater population immunity. Logic would also dictate that the spread of HPV (and most STDs) travels more easily from the male to the female, after all, ejaculate is big gollup of potentially disease-carrying gunk and designed to be mobile.

Some places are now rolling out vaccination programmes for the boys. I gather the ‘live population trial’ among teenaged girls proved that vast numbers of them weren’t dropping dead from Gardasil. Yes, of course the teenaged girls were used as guinea pigs in this Gardasil experiment, hence the first objection of radfems. Secondly, it only protected against a limited number of strains of HPV. Thirdly, it gives a false sense of ‘security’ of protection against STDs in general, making condom use for casual sex less likely, and enabling greater likelihood of transmission of other STDs or other strains of HPV.

All of this crap is of course, pushing the sex-mozzer PIV agenda, enabling sexual access of females for recreation purposes. Surely the rate of STDs must be a red-flag by Mother Nature that PIV for recreation and with vast numbers of partners is NOT the way forward. Previous ‘sexual revolution’ rubbish, pushing the PIV agenda was the development of the oral contraceptive pill. All contraceptives have a failure rate, and it is always the female that carries the most risk of pregnancy or diseases.

Jilla alerted me to a new piece of propaganda around Gardasil and HPV, the full article below. It seems *shock horror* that males are presenting with increased number of cases of throat cancers linked to HPV. Males between the ages of 40-55 are the majority of these cases.

So, theories abound as to why various throat cancers are on the increase. I know, lets somehow blame women for it! One of their pet theories is that males are performing cunnilingus on females, and that is how they are getting HPV. I can tell you from my former het life, getting males to perform cunnilingus basically requires putting a gun to their head, very few do it willingly. Another theory floated was that it could be transmitted by kissing. Well, nice try, but you would expect equal numbers of females and males affected if that was the case, major logic fail.

There is only one conclusion that makes any sense in all of this – males are, sucking cock on the side. They are probably engaging in other male homosexual practices as well (anal sex), but the whole thing is remarkably hush-hush. These supposedly heterosexual (sometimes openly bisexual) males are engaging in both homosexual practices and heterosexual promiscuity, then coming home to their wives and girlfriends and transmitting the diseases to them. Yet another example of why “what people do in private is their business” is also a logic fail.

Throat Cancer Linked to Virus

A sharp rise in a type of throat cancer among men is increasingly being linked to HPV, the sexually transmitted human papillomavirus that can cause cervical cancer in women.

A new study from the National Cancer Institute warns that if recent trends continue, the number of HPV-positive oral cancers among men could rise by nearly 30% by 2020. At that rate, it could surpass that of cervical cancers among women, which are expected to decline as a result of better screening.

The study is to be presented this week at the annual American Society of Clinical Oncology meeting.

Between 1988 and 2004, the researchers found, the incidence of HPV-positive oropharynx cancers—those that affect the back of the tongue and tonsil area—increased by 225%. Anil Chaturvedi, a National Cancer Institute investigator who led the research, estimates there were approximately 6,700 cases of HPV-positive oropharynx cancers in 2010, up from 4,000 to 4,500 in 2004, and cases are projected to increase 27% to 8,500 in 2020.

Recent studies show about 25% of mouth and 35% of throat cancers are caused by HPV, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Men account for the majority of cases, and currently the highest prevalence is in men 40 to 55, says Eric Genden, chief of head and neck oncology at Mount Sinai Medical Center in New York. Studies have shown that the cancer can show up 10 years after exposure to HPV, which has become the most common sexually transmitted virus in the U.S.

“We are sitting at the cusp of a pandemic,” says Dr. Genden.

Dr. Chaturvedi says more studies are needed to evaluate whether a vaccine now used to prevent HPV for genital warts and genital and anal cancers can prevent oral HPV infections.

The HPV vaccine, Gardasil, made by Merck & Co., was approved in 2006 for girls and young women up to age 26, but while it is routinely recommended, only about 27% of girls have received all three doses needed to confer protection.

The FDA in 2009 approved the vaccine for males ages 9 through 26 to reduce the risk of genital warts, and in 2010 approved it for both sexes for the prevention of anal cancers. However, the CDC has only a “permissive” recommendation for boys, rather than a routine recommendation, meaning doctors generally will only administer it if parents or patients ask for it, says Michael Brady, chairman of the American Academy of Pediatrics infectious disease committee.

Lauri Markowitz, a CDC medical epidemiologist, says the CDC advisory committee that sets vaccine recommendations will review new data related to the issue at a meeting next month. However, at present there aren’t any clinical-trial data showing the effectiveness of the vaccine against oral infections, she says.

A Merck spokeswoman says the company has no plans to study the potential of Gardasil to prevent these cancers.

Researchers say it isn’t clear why men are at higher risk for HPV-positive oral cancers. But for both men and women a high lifetime number of sex partners is associated with the cancer.

Changes in sexual behaviors that include increased practice of oral sex are associated with the increase, but a 2007 New England Journal of Medicine article also said engagement in casual sex, early age at first intercourse, and infrequent use of condoms each were associated with HPV-positive oropharyngeal cancer. Mouth-to-mouth contact through kissing can’t be ruled out as a transmission route.

Most infections don’t cause symptoms and go away on their own. But HPV can cause genital warts and warts in the throat, and has been associated with vaginal, vulvar and anal cancers.

Anna Giuliano, chairwoman of the department of cancer epidemiology at the Moffitt Cancer Center in Tampa, Fla., who studies oral HPV infections of men in several countries, says the rise in cancers among men shows it is important for males, as well as girls, to be vaccinated.

Doctors typically don’t test for HPV-positive oral cancers. But Jonathan Aviv, director of the voice and swallowing center at New York’s ENT and Allergy Associates, says his group looks through a miniature camera inserted through the nose at the back of the throat and tongue, and can biopsy suspicious warts or tumors.

In addition to being asked about symptoms such as hoarseness, difficulty swallowing, a neck mass or mouth sore that won’t heal, patients are asked to fill out a risk-assessment sheet that includes the number of lifetime oral-sex partners. “People do get upset sometimes, but if your sexual history puts you at an increased risk for HPV, you should go and see an ear, nose and throat doctor,” says Dr. Aviv.

Fortunately, says Mount Sinai’s Dr. Genden, those with HPV-positive oral cancers have a disease survival rate of 85% to 90% over five years, higher than those with oral cancers that aren’t linked to HPV, but are more commonly linked to alcohol use, tobacco, and radiation exposure.

Philip Keane, a 52-year-old photographer and partner in a marketing firm, found a lump on his neck while shaving, which was initially misdiagnosed as an infection. A scope of his throat showed it was HPV-positive throat cancer. Dr. Genden removed it last July using minimally invasive robotic surgery, and Mr. Keane had 6½ weeks of daily radiation after that, which left him cancer-free.

At first surprised and embarrassed, Mr. Keane says he has no reason to think he was at high risk; while he has young daughters who have been immunized, “I didn’t know about HPV in men.” He plans to have his 12-year-old son immunized as well.

And another article on HPV and anal cancer:

Gardasil vaccine given thumbs up by FDA for treatment of other cancers

Gardasil, the human papillomavirus vaccine, has been given approval by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for prevention of cancer of the anus and related precancerous lesions, the agency said in a news release today. The FDA has previously approved Gardasil for cervical, vaginal and vulvar cancers in women and also for genital warts in both men and women. Both the old and new indications for the drug covers those aged 9 to 26. Four types of human papillomavirus (HPV) namely 6, 11, 16 and 18 are responsible for 90 percent of malignancies of the anal region. “Treatment for anal cancer is challenging; the use of Gardasil as a method of prevention is important as it may result in fewer diagnoses and the subsequent surgery, radiation or chemotherapy that individuals need to endure,” said Dr. Karen Midthun in a statement. She is the director of the Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research of the FDA.

The agency based the decision to expand the use of the vaccine partly on Merck’s study which showed that Gardasil was 78 percent effective in preventing the development of that type of cancer among men and women homosexuals. This new indication is for a cancer type that is rare but increasing. The National Cancer Institute says that about 5,300 people are diagnosed and 72 die annually from the disease. The incidence of this cancer is higher among men who have sexual intercourse with men where 40 cases for every 100,000 are documented. For those with HIV among the same group, the rate rises further to 80 for every 100,000 cases. The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices has yet to decide on recommending vaccination for young men and women.

Because males will bum and suck each other off, even if they claim to be heterosexual. You cannot trust them to tell the truth about their sexual history or practices.

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18 thoughts on “More logic fails – Gardasil and sexual practices

  1. FAB Libber aka Dave the Squirrel

    I cannot help but remember that old expression “be sure your sins will find you out”. This seems to be the case with the closeted male homosexual behaviour.


  2. Sargasso Sea

    Ay caramba! Journalism is indeed dead. And reason, logic, basic biology etc.

    So, yes the LOGICAL conclusion to draw is exactly that: men never *grow out of* their circle jerk phase.


  3. Hecuba

    Let’s cut to the chase – Gardasil is a huge profitable multi-national pharmaceutical company and it created the pseudo HPV vaccine in order to earn huge sums of money.

    The so-called trials wherein as always it was girls used as disposable guinea pigs proved this vaccine is very dangerous to women’s and girls’ health. Furthermore HVP virus will not kill most women and girls because there are innumerable strains of HPV and this vaccine is designed to target only one virus.

    The question to always ask is who will profit? Answer: Big Pharma and yes indeed male dominated governments have avidly rushed to purchase this useless vaccine because girls and women are always responsible for ‘supposedly infecting males with STDS and other nasty diseases.’ The trials were not carried out on male bodies because male bodies are too fragile to undergo such dangerous testing (sic) but female bodies are disposable are they not?

    Then there is the issue of claims pre-pubertal girls will all grow to become dutiful heterosexual women wherein their sole purpose in life is to have men’s penises’ thrusting manfully (sic) into their bodies – because ‘real sex’ is always penis thrusting in a female body or female bodies is it not? Do lesbian women exist? Apparently not according to dominant views of why women and girls must take HPV vaccine.

    So in a nutshell this vaccine is not necessary – but it will certainly endanger many girls’ lives and already girls living in India are being subjected to compulsory HPV vaccination because the men are terrified of contracting a sexually transmitted disease.

    For more factual information see link below: We’ve seen in the past how medical industries have exploited women and girls in the name of profit – don’t believe the hype emanating from WHO or any Big Pharma industry – profit is their god not the mandate ‘do no harm to women and girls!’


  4. FAB Libber aka Dave the Squirrel

    Well yes, profit angle is always the profit angle for BigPharma. As long as the death rate and serious side effects are “within acceptable limits” these drugs will be allowed by the authorities.

    Thanks for the link, I had not realised that some serious and longterm effects had been happening (*mysteriously* the newspapers don’t generally make such a big deal about it, yet there are endless promotional/positive Gardasil reports like this above). Biased reporting.

    The bottom line is that females again taking most of the risks for male sexuality. Nor are females fully aware of the risks, particularly that dudes are continuing to circle-jerk with each other. The meeja continue to play hide-the-daisy-chain, even though no other logical conclusions can be reached. And all the closet gay dudes that get married to have kids and built-in housekeeper, which could be another post (I have a nifty link on this).


  5. jilla

    Absolutely agree with everything you’ve said Fab and Hecuba. Yet people will still line up to get their daughters vaccinated. No one really stops to think from whence STDs emanate, and the horrible danger to women because there is really nothing they can do to protect themselves from male irresponsibility and refusal to look in the mirror.

    To add to Hecuba’s link info, I remind everyone of the discussion and posts on the Gardasil thread at Women’s Space. Women’s Space is silent but the source still there and searchable.


  6. jilla

    Yes, at WS, I have put in many articles about the dangers, and because most of them are MSM articles with relevant interviews and names, and peer reviewed studies. they are usable in your work.


  7. Sargasso Sea

    No one really stops to think from whence STDs emanate,

    The Kid and I took this opportunity to have a little discussion about basic STD epidemiology, especially the part about how it is damn near impossible for women to spread STDs amongst themselves.

    Also that men are rather like bees in that they go from woman to woman cross- contaminating. 😐


  8. FAB Libber aka Dave the Squirrel

    I want to revisit the BigPharma thing again. They do not care whether or not any of their vaccines or other medicines actually work, or have side effects – their product catalogue contains many other drugs that can be prescribed to combat ‘side effects’ or the diseases caused or not stopped by this/other immunisation. It’s a profitable win-win for them. Only actual people get hurt.

    And meeja coverage has been very one-sided with all of this, all these additional potential ‘customers’ that should be getting their shit product, the meeja is very silent on the “acceptable losses” (mainly teenage girls at this point).

    All for what? To enable penetrative sex, and specifically for recreation. PIV for recreation makes no sense, given how easy contraception products fail, the side effects of hormonal contraception, and the spread of STDs. And females bear the brunt of most of this ‘down side’ of ‘sex pozzie’ culture. This is exactly why “sex positive feminists” are NOT feminists at all, and merely puppets of the patriarchy. They put more females at more risk. That is unacceptable. That is also unfeminist.

    It is also time that het women woke up to the fact that they are little more than a wank aid for males, with freebie housemaid thrown in. Only the minority of females, a reported 20% even by PIV-propaganda stats, orgasm via PIV alone. That is Mother Nature’s way of telling you that PIV really is not designed for recreational sexual activity. The STDs are the other clue. Anyone that fights against Mother Nature’s design is going to be on the losing side. Guaranteed.


  9. jilla

    Ethical violations in HPV vaccine trials. (Dept. of Duh).

    Pharma hid side effect and death data.


  10. FAB Libber aka Dave the Squirrel

    Ethical violations in HPV vaccine trials, says committee

    Source: The Hindu
    20 May 2011 | EN

    [NEW DELHI] An expert committee set up to investigate the conduct of studies using human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccines in India has reported large-scale ethical violations.

    Members of the committee said since the project proposal involved research on human participants it should have followed “all the guidelines and statutory requirements applicable to research on human participants”, the daily The Hindu reported.
    Concern was expressed by members at unacceptable and prolonged delays in the reporting of adverse events and deaths, and a lack of independent monitoring systems.

    “There has been direct contact with the human participants, they have administered an intervention which is not part of a prescribed prevention and have expected adverse events,” members reported.

    The committee comprised S.S. Aggarwal, former director of the Sanjay Gandhi Post-graduate Institute of Medical Sciences, S.P. Agarwal, former director-general of health services, and Suneeta Mittal, head of obstetrics and gynaecology at the All-India Institute of Medical Sciences (AIIMS) in New Delhi. They were assisted by a three-member sub-committee.

    Members said there was a need for specific and separate legislation covering all aspects of biomedical and health research involving human participants and that statutory status should be given to the guidelines of the Indian Council of Medical Research.

    Yeah. Shocker (not).
    Notice that one dude was from a gynae department, so the unreported deaths and side effects would have been FEMALE. Used as human guinea pigs. Developing world exploitation.


  11. rebel13

    My understanding was that a lot of the radical feminist pushback against this at least in the US came about because at least one state* — at the behest of Merck, of course — was considering making the vaccine MANDATORY for teen girls, the way other vaccines are. (What a huge cash cow that would have been for them at the expense of girls’ health. They must have been wanking with joy at the thought.) I think there also was concern about the health risks for girls, and of course the question of “why aren’t we giving it to males?” arose, but I’m not sure anyone would have objected to it simply being AVAILABLE in the US if no one had been trying to mandate it.

    *I seem to recall it was Texas but that may just be my bias showing. 🙂


  12. myrtle

    I would object to it being available, because the science coming in on it says NO very loudly. It is partly effective on only four of the sixteen strains of HPV. Almost all sexually active women contract HPV but clear it the way they do many other infections. Vaccinating stops the bodies natural protection short, and puts us back to “always vulnerable” with our natural defences, as with any vaccine. Our bodies stop learning how to defeat it.

    As much as some dislike it. PAP is more effective at catching it, and a freezing technique is almost painless and stops it in those who have it, not the millions who might.

    In Canada where PAP is free to any woman about once every two years if she is sexually active (they don’t say with men or women but we know, it’s men who compromise us) the rate is so very very low, and occurs almost virtually only in women who live in remote communities and/or cultures that do not have good health care.

    For our population of about 35 million. about 400 women die of cervical cancer in a year:

    They say: “Woman who are older (aged 40-59), immigrant, Aboriginal or have a lower socio-economic status are at higher risk of developing cervical cancer, primarily because they have not been screened at all or have been screened irregularly.”

    Of course, that’s not true. They don’t DEVELOP cervical cancer because they have not been screened, but because men WILL NOT use condoms. They die of it because they have not been screened properly. In Canada, that equals remote communites and aboriginal women.


  13. rebel13

    I don’t disagree with you at all, myrtle, but of course getting it off the market entirely (at least in the US) would be a much harder sell, than merely objecting to it being mandatory. We’re the land of the free here, doncha know. 🙂

    I don’t think cervical cancer is ALL that prevalent in the US either, probably for some of the same reasons you mention.


  14. jilla

    Nor I you rebel. And though the hoops they jump through to lobby and manipulate politicians here are a bit different than there, they are not deterred. Recently our science research agency equivalent to the NIH happily appointed a Pfizer VP to their board. Isn’t this a conflict of interest enquiring minds want to know? Why no, he was appointed because he has the expertise.

    Now where else have I seen rational like that? Hmmm…..


  15. sellmaeth

    “All contraceptives have a failure rate, and it is always the female that carries the most risk of pregnancy or diseases.”

    I’m going to write something twanzphobic: It is actually the female that carries ALL the risk of pregnancy. And most of the risk of diseases. (It has to be clarified because in a thread on mumsnet some idiot male actually claimed that the poor menz also carry the risk of “becoming fathers”)



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