Open thread: Free for all


OK, the private Haters! thread sort of drifted into anything and everything (sorry to disappoint those assuming that lots of sekrit squirrel stuff was going on).

So, I have created this thread for (feminist!) related free-for-all. It is a public thread.
Have at it.

74 thoughts on “Open thread: Free for all

  1. FAB Libber

    Actually, just a blog-related question. Do you like the nested comment threads, or should I do away with them? I will go with popular opinion on this, I am of mixed opinion.

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  2. Sargasso Sea

    OOOO! A free for all and I don’t have a thing to say! Well, wait, give me a minute…

    I abhor nested threads. I end up missing half of y’alls hilariousness 🙂

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  3. maggie

    Hi, no to the nested as I do miss all the hilarity too.

    And can I give a little rant about the following. When buying my young nige a pair of trainers recently he picked one that had a blue stripe (on a white background) around the edge that was a bit wiggly and I suppose you could have deduced it was a feminine wiggly. But they were his choice. The shop attendant, a souped up teenage Nigel, scorned at his choice and said they were girls’ shoes, like it was the worst possible thing on earth to be. I smiled but not sweetly at SUT Nigel and said that there was nothing wrong with girls. BUT my young nige was put off nonetheless – he went for plain white instead (ignoring the macho stuff – yay!).

    So do you think I should take this further and let him dress up as a girl character from a book this Thursday (Book Day)? LOL!!!

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  4. FAB Libber

    OK, I have turned off the nested. Can always change it back if there is a stampede of luv for them. Now I will go and see what, if anything, happened to the previously-nested.

    ETA: it removed the previous nesting, and WP just dumped them back into chronological order. mmmm, that will be fun to read in a million years.

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  5. Jilla

    Hi Maggie! I am so happy to see you here. Yes, I know you’ve been here a bit. Now I have something to say to you.

    I would let your son pick his clothes as he chooses, or the likes of the sales person will bully him, and he will be afraid and hurt, AND resent you. He will choose what other “males” indicate is correct, mostly. He’s too young to kick against that. I’d make some compliment about a man I saw wearing pink or something like that, ask him what he thinks of it.

    I would also send a letter of complaint to management saying their sales person is making bigoted comments against women, ie) you, with the cheque book and credit card, and you don’t want your son exposed to such prejudice but wanted to tell them why you wont’ be shopping there anymore. With your cheque book, and credit card.

    It has to be in writing so some dickwad can’t dismiss it. If it’s in writing more than one person will get to see it, and you can follow up for a response. And if all else fails, try a letter to the editor, making it ‘universal’ so others can see themselves in your son’s place, with his hurt little face.

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  6. FAB Libber

    Not really a feminist topic (other than menz fucking around with nature), but I noticed on the article about BSE/vCJD:
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/8323784/The-end-of-BSE.html

    was mentioned:
    We each inherit one of three different combinations of the two prion genes; so far, all the vCJD infections have been among of people with one particular combination, found in 37 per cent of the population. The rest of the population may be relatively immune

    The 37% rang a bell with me, and I wondered if it is tied into blood groups, could not remember which group, but I knew one group did. Turns out, 0+ is 37% (UK).
    http://www.blood.co.uk/about-blood/blood-group-basics/

    Could that be the connection? 37%?

    VeganPrimate probably knows more about this stuff. But I thought it a bit of a co-incidence.

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  7. Jilla

    Since this is an open thread I want to announce the successful (but stressful) repair of my computer speakers which have not worked for months.

    By ME.

    Cost … $0

    It was an unorthodox repair. It required a screw driver plunged into its bits to keep it on.

    Whatever.

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  8. Jilla

    Up to FabL’s bloody post. And O is the universal for blood donors. How does that work, would it invalidate the predisposition if an A got a blood donation of O *compromised blood?

    *I know that’s not the right word, but will have to do until VP comes along.

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  9. FAB Libber

    Scroll down here for a handy reference table on the ABO inheritance:
    http://anthro.palomar.edu/blood/ABO_system.htm
    To Genetic Inheritance Patterns

    Just pointing it out that the 0, which is really 00 (and A & B are dominant over the 0s). So I am not sure what the case is for transfusions, I guess it depends on how virulent the disease was and how it caused damage to other cells, and I guess how quickly it caused damage. Only one variety of 0, now cannot remember which Rh factor, poz or neg, is the universal donor (I think it is 0-).

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  10. Jilla

    Did my fix-it post sound like I might be male? Tendencies? Well I’ll have you know I’m totally screwed up. I was cooking while I did that. And in fact cooking was the primary reason I wanted to fix my speakers. I need to listen to fluffy kitten type music. (Whew~)

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  11. veganprimate

    So, what’s the question y’all want me to answer? I don’t know much about CJD. Are you wondering that since type O’s seem to be more susceptible and A’s are not as susceptible would a type A who received O blood that was infected with CJD, would they be able to resist the infection? I don’t know the answer to that.

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  12. maggie

    The point I was making is that he is definitely a male, a lovely one btw, being my son, but he had no problem whatsoever with picking out shoes that were deemed scornfully as being like those a girl would wear.

    However, he’s not dressing up as a female for book week because he’s autistic and dressing up is not in his game. Not a ‘male’ costume or a ‘female’ costume. Little does he know that ‘female’, which I’ve always argued (back in the day) is a much better word than male, is now, in 21st century lexicon, defined as ciswoman, cisgendered. Like wtf? We are supposed to be correlated to those who opposed mechanism, i.e. Luddites? For not accepting the new label assigned to us? By Men?

    Posing as women. Who went under to get their nagglies and peenies cut off and had silicon inserts to ‘make’ them a woman. But no. Not a woman. A Transwoman. And those ‘other’ – real women – are just ciswomen. Well fuck that for a game of soldiers. NO NO NO.

    You, MtTs are men. I AM A WOMAN. The two girls I gave birth to are women. The boy I gave birth to is a man. The Rant is now over. I feel better. Thanks, fablibber.

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  13. veganprimate

    Since this is a free-for-all thread, I’ll tell y’all about what I said yesterday. I’m getting to the point where I’m tired of holding my tongue, especially around strangers. Why should I care what they think? Besides, any little remark might have an effect on a woman or girl down the road.

    So, yesterday I was at the local Squall Mart, and some dude worker bee came up behind the cashier and said something to her. She didn’t hear him b/c she was talking to the customer she was ringing up. Well, apparently he wanted to get her supply of hangers she had under the counter. So, he just barged into her space to take them, bumping into her (and probably copping a feel in the process). Then the cashier says, “Oh, sorry.”

    So, I said, “Why are you apologizing? He’s the rude one who wouldn’t wait to get your attention before violating your personal space.” She said, “Oh, that’s just the way I am.”

    So, it wasn’t much, but it was something. Maybe it’ll make her think. Stupid entitled dude thinking he can go into any woman’s personal space.

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  14. Jilla

    Yes VP. That is what I was trying to figure out. Ok. No one here knows. It wasn’t that important anyway.

    They keep calling me. I am prime country for blood donations. An old celibate female. I go for the cookies. They get my pristine blood.

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  15. veganprimate

    Oh, and FAB Libber, it’s Rh negative which is the universal donor. O neg.

    It is possible to give Rh positive blood in an emergency. Then they can give you Rhogam, like they do with pregnant women.

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  16. Jilla

    (…) he just barged into her space to take them, bumping into her (and probably copping a feel in the process). Then the cashier says, “Oh, sorry.”

    She must be Canadian.

    Well and yah, female. We have no personal space.

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  17. veganprimate

    I donated blood twice. It makes me sick. I refuse to do it anymore. But the stupid blood bank kept calling me. I told them to take my name of their list. The caller said she’d take care of it, then two weeks later, they’d call me again. Again, I requested them to take me off their list. They’d call me again.

    After several rounds of this, I got desperate. I knew what would get my name off that list for sure. The next time they called, I lied and told them I had hepatitis. No more calls.

    It was mean, though, b/c they would have had to go through the records to see if any blood I donated got used. Then, they would’ve had to contact all the recipients (there could be as many as three…red cells, plasma, and platelets) and then have them come in and be tested AT THE BLOOD BANK’S EXPENSE. Ha, ha. Hey, that’s what they get for not listening to me in the first fucking place. I said, “Take my name off the list. I will not donate again.”

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  18. FAB Libber

    Oh, and FAB Libber, it’s Rh negative which is the universal donor. O neg.
    That was my guess/rusty memory, it looked weird the way I typed it: 0-
    which possibly looked like an emoticon gone wrong. The zeros are strange in this font, stupidly small, the look like lower case ‘ohs’.

    ps, did anyone notice the post after the insurance one? Or does no-one luv it?

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  19. Sargasso Sea

    I saw it! I saw it!

    But then this thread happened so fast I didn’t have a chance to comment on that one and now I’m thinking about what I want to say here so… stop posting so fast, dammit! I’m old, I can’t keep up 🙂

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  20. Jilla

    Can someone explain to me what UP is saying here? Is she referring to how the U.S. law perceives rape?

    “March 1, 2011

    Hi, sorry, gotta de-lurk to say that rape is not rape. PIV rape = PIV rape. But PIA (penis in ass) rape is NOT PIV rape. Nor is man-on-man rape the same as man-on-woman rape or woman-on-woman rape. See also Fed Rule of Evidence 412: consent once, consent forever!!! It’s the same rationale underlying marital rape: implied consent.

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  21. luckynkl

    I think I know what UP’s getting at. Rape is a specific crime: penis>vagina. Sodomy is another specific crime > anal penetration. It’s not the same thing. Else what would you call a woman who was raped and sodomized?

    Men cannot rape other men. They don’t have vaginas. Women cannot rape other women. Women don’t have penises. Again, rape is a very specific male on female crime. The big deal being that rape can result in pregnancy. Impregnation is not possible with other types of sexual assaults – ie: sodomy.

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  22. Jilla

    Hi Lucky

    So again, this is speaking legally? Because my idea of rape is vaginal penetration with anything.

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  23. FAB Libber

    @ Jilla
    Because my idea of rape is vaginal penetration with anything.

    Vaginal penetration with something other than a penis is considered “sexual assault”. Some countries I think incorporate a sort of grading system on sexual assault to indicate severity. Like regular bodily (non-sexual) assault are “actual bodily harm (ABH)” and “grievous bodily harm (GBH)”. But it varies a bit from country to country as to what is what.

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  24. FAB Libber

    Twisted J is at it (us) again.
    Would that be that stupid survey thing? I filled it out twanzphobically.
    I reckon it was for her to gauge how strong the trans following was, and does she have a loyal following of mindless minions.

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  25. Jilla

    Nora
    March 1, 2011 at 6:56 pm

    I’m sorry, did 102.8% of respondents strongly agree that people should be allowed to undergo a sex change? What am I reading incorrectly? (Don’t get me wrong, I am also strongly in agreement with that statement, just baffled by the apparent super-unanimity). Also, I only put “sort of agree” for “smoking causes cancer,” mostly because it doesn’t *always,* you know? But I’m not sure if that was appropriate.

    Also, for the >50% of you who haven’t read anything by Jessica Valenti, I wouldn’t recommend it. Provided that you have already figured out why not to call people “cunts” or do other things to suggest that female-ness is an undesirable trait.

    @@

    But it’s ok to call women cuntalinas. That’s so rad. And wayoh! IBTP followers are ringing in on SEX change. Love it.

    If you are ever one who actually has to use public washrooms, and share them with men, you’d probably be entitled to an opinion. I love it when people who don’t ever do whatever, get to decide for those who have no choice.

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  26. Jilla

    Over on UPs “oppression” thread Sonia said:
    (…) the fact that radfems are engaging in the trans debate to the degree that they are legitimizes it and makes it seem less misogynistic.”

    I agree with this. Of course, I realize that’s the primary purpose of this blog, and I have been part of that, but I still think, like *men of any age and all toddlers, they demand our attention, and we have given it to them. Pros, and cons.

    *Pardon the redundancy.

    Who is Sonia? Let’s have her over.

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  27. veganprimate

    I went over to Twisty’s to look at something (can’t remember now) and ended up taking that stupid survey.

    I honestly didn’t know what to put down for the restroom thing. I mean, if they are passing as women, they can’t go into a male restroom; they’d get the shit beaten out of them. But even if they weren’t 100% passing, I’d feel uncomfortable with them in my restroom.

    I think I saw an article a few years ago about Thailand (I think it was). They had three different public restrooms. Men, women, and trannies.

    But as for the question, people should be allowed to transition to whatever gender they want, I agreed with that. They can do whatever they want, but they can’t logically, reasonably call themselves women or female, b/c they aren’t.

    Too bad one of the questions on the survey wasn’t, do you think Twisty is a transman.

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  28. Sargasso Sea

    “Too bad one of the questions on the survey wasn’t, do you think Twisty is a transman.”

    Bwahahhaaaaha!

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  29. Jilla

    think we wouldn’t say people who are mentally ill with some other type of body dysmorphia should be allowed to have limbs removed, or faces surgically constructed to look like cats with the help of medical profession, which should be protecting them from themselves, not giving it their stamp of approval. And it is a stamp of approval in many jurisdictions, these people cannot have these surgeries without signature(s). And in jurisdictions where you and I are paying for it on top of that, I say NO. It has to be stopped. It has to be seen for what it is, not some kind of choice/preference/gender problem, but a true mental illness (like schizophrenia).

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  30. Jilla

    Mentally ill women certainly don’t get to call the shots. It’s their way or the highway. Which latter is safer, more democratic, and therapeutic. But women who cut or main themselves, men and women with untreated (and by that I don’t necessarily mean meds) schizophrenia and people who want parts cut off and added on, no they don’t.

    I really don’t know if you were agreeing with me, or taking the piss. The former, I hope.

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  31. radicalesbian

    I mean, if they are passing as women, they can’t go into a male restroom; they’d get the shit beaten out of them.

    Who cares? I fully endorse violence against men.

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  32. Jilla

    I was not clear. I meant, mentally ill (sic) women are better off without the medical profession. They’re not mentally ill. In most cases they’re reacting to a misogynistic society. And they are justifiably fearful, depressed, worried, acting out.

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  33. veganprimate

    Yeah, I was agreeing with you. Using the term “mentally ill” is difficult b/c throughout history women have been labelled crazy when they weren’t. In order to get rid of a wife you no longer want, it was easy to get her put away.

    I have had some beneficial psychotherapy, but after a certain point, a woman cannot get good therapy, b/c therapists are patriarchal and suckle at the dominant paradigm’s teat.

    But as for trans, I think they are pretty far removed from reality, and their desire to be surgically mutilated should not be indulged.

    I think the difference between what passes as mental illness in women (such as depression and whatnot) and mental illness in men is that the women are responding to reality. Living as an oppressed person is crazy making. But when men are crazy, they are removed from reality.

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  34. Jilla

    In what other area of medicine does the patient name the “illness” and dictate the treatment? I believe it’s related to the fact they are men. They’re voices are heard, they get what they want, and also somehow, because they are obviously defective men, what else could they be but women?

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  35. FAB Libber

    They’re voices are heard, they get what they want, and also somehow, because they are obviously defective men, what else could they be but women?
    But it’s more than that. They are the eunuchs sent in – not to guard the harem as in the days of old – but to disrupt and disjoint any unity in the ‘harem’ (feminists). Just look at the amount of disruption the various tactics of pomo and trans have had on the feminist community. Decimated.

    And that is why the (UK) govt and the medical profession have been quick to accomodate all of this ‘gender identity crisis’ bs. The other thing to look at are the percentages of M2T and F2T. That gives you a clue as to what the mission is.

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  36. FAB Libber

    Hi radicalesbian, I have not seen you about anywhere, where did you spring from?

    Certainly, male-on-female / male-on-child violence is our concern.
    Whatever they do to themselves is their own business/problem. FFS, we are not here to fix everything for them. They have an entire police force at their disposal, and still can’t seem to be effective.

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  37. FAB Libber

    It seems that overnight, this template has changed (I did not touch anything, promise!). Anyway, my comments are now blue with a heavy line. Dunno why. Just happened.

    I do look terribly important now. LOL

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  38. Jilla

    I thought, oh how clever FabL is. I wonder if she could now give us an edit function? Or does one have to pay for that, in which case, neverrrrr mind.

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  39. joy

    Since I have no idea what to do with my blog, I put out a post asking people what they want to read. Go on over there and let me know, if you feel like it.

    Also posted: a musical interlude, featuring children rockin’ out. Too many cooks in the kitchen? Should I stick to either music or radical feminism and not muddy the two? Let me know.

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  40. FAB Libber

    eh, radical feminism. Because there aren’t many good ones that will shoot from the hip.
    Teh tranz will be getting miffed at me that I haven’t done a tranz post for a while. Whoopsies. mwahahahah

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  41. joy

    I don’t want to be just one more theorist. Also, I admit that I don’t want to get slammed with shit from anything I have to say about trans.

    Music and radical feminism have a very significant overlap. My next post was going to be something about Suze Rotolo, before something pissed me off at IBTP’s facebook page (a dude calling me out on “cisgender privilege”) and I thought I might have to write a “confession of an ex-FtT” instead.

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  42. FAB Libber

    I am not a theorist as such, just jotting down when one idea flows on from another, plus some in-the-news things. And being very twanzphobic at all times. See, I am being twanzphobic now, I am sitting in front of my cis-computer, typing on my cis-keyboard, and neglecting to write about trans! Oh noes!

    I tend to ignore all the music, poetry and other stuff, that is the stuff I would share/discuss with friends, privately. I try not to mix private stuff with radfem stuff (due to the nutter/stalker component of radfem blogging).

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  43. joy

    Oooh, didn’t think of that.

    Yeah, I’m not putting up any of MY OWN artistic stuff on my blog. Hell no!

    Also, I didn’t mean to imply that you (or any others) are “strictly theorists.” Just that I’m not sure how much better I could put these ideas than other bloggers already have.

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  44. Jilla

    I think I was the one raised the issue with the comment about us being relatively privileged to be able to discuss on the internet. I didn’t mean we do it exclusively. Advocacy work is not a 9-5 job with weekends and stats off. You do it when you can. And “can” includes emotional and psychological “can”.

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  45. FAB Libber

    Joy, just find your own rhythm and feet.
    Like right now, I just have a block on anything groundbreaking, probably because I have other stuff on my mind. I just write when I feel like it, and don’t bother making every post a polished bit of essay writing, the damn thing is lucky if it sees the spell checker.

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  46. joy

    Tonight some friends dragged me to a bar, I went just for the hell of it, and I ended up saving a woman from getting beaten. At least, at for one time.

    He’d cornered her by the exit and was not letting her leave. His body language was hostile, but “subtly” hostile (the kind that most people accept as part of “intense” hetero relationships, thanks Eminem and your fucking bullshit song!); whenever she would try to move away, he’d put a hand out to trap and corner her.

    Her eyes were dead. I know that look.

    Eventually she pushed through the door, and he followed her. I immediately jumped in and asked if she was all right. He said she was his wife and “she was having trouble with the kids.” He said he “just was going to talk to her.” I said, “The hell you aren’t, I don’t trust you,” and approached the woman, who’d realized the alley dead-ended and was cowering in the corner. He transferred his anger to me, but I walked towards her, asked if she was okay, and told her that if she needed to leave she could come find me.

    As I’d expected, she told me she was okay and made up a lame excuse. The bouncer came, so I walked away. The man was still angry at me, but the woman was relieved. I knew we both knew he would have cornered her there and hurt her.

    The man tried to tell the bouncer that -I- caused the problem, by blowing their “conversation” out of proportion, but I took the bartender aside and said the man had been “very aggro.” Last I saw, the man was discreetly asked to “go cool it down” (ie, leave), the woman was getting a hug from another man, and I was hoping the fucker and his friends didn’t follow me when I left.

    Nobody else noticed this going down — except a few friends when I pointed it out. I’ve seen the same exact situation, but one in which he began beating her, and everyone turned a blind eye then too. We’re so conditioned to accept relationship violence as part of het life. Like I said, Eminem has now even made it hip and cool and pomo. “Oh, it’s all right, I can do this to her, she’s my wife.” The entitled pricks.

    I know he’s just going to beat her again, and that she wouldn’t have walked away, but I’m not a hero. Basically I wanted to know that I saw her suffering, and I knew what he was doing was wrong, and I cared if she lived or died. At least if he does kill her, she’ll know that people did care, and wanted her to live.

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  47. FAB Libber

    Well done Joy.
    I have noticed that het DV is becoming far more open now, not just in darkened corners of nightclubs. Twice in the last few years I have seen it happen in broad daylight, one was in a shopping centre FFS.

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  48. joy

    The time I saw a man cornering and beating a woman was on a subway platform in the middle of Brooklyn.

    People walked right past them, even when he started grabbing her shoulders and shaking her, slamming the back of her head into the metal bars around the stairwell. Everyone but me *averted their eyes.*

    I started screaming at him to leave her alone, and I called the cops. Of course, they never came (the first question they asked me was, “Are they Black?”, ostensibly for identification purposes, and when I answered “Yes” the operator lost interest), but he stopped beating her at least.
    And then my fellow train passengers all turned on me. A visible, noticeable turning away. They would have let him beat me too, I’m sure, but he was too busy dragging his victim by the hand onto the train so they wouldn’t be there when the cops came.

    My abuser pummeled me on subway cars, on the street in broad daylight, anywhere. Nobody ever stopped to ask me if I was all right (except in a macho man-contest kind of way, like he was challenging my abuser for HIS right to own me!). And that’s why I always acknowledge the women in these situations, even if I can’t actually help them. Make and keep eye contact. Beckon to them. Ask if they need help, if they want to leave. No grandstanding, no heroics, just acknowledgment.

    Because it sucks to realize that this asshole could beat you black and blue in public, even rape and kill you, and everyone would walk right on past.

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  49. northernsea

    Yes, one has to do something. I saw a guy grab a woman in a park while I was driving. I just leaned on my car horn and he looked and let her go. But he fucking knew I saw.
    Sometimes it takes just watching and letting them know that you are a witness. And you have to use Medusa eyes on them. The fear is they will turn on you, but one has to assess that. Averting the eyes is craven cowardice. Yes and asking the woman if she is okay and the eye contact is absolutely necessary. If she can’t look you in the eye and say clearly she is okay, she is not okay.

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  50. joy

    Or if, when she looks back, her eyes are wild and crazy. As in, she is terrified and dissociating.

    Sometimes there’s nothing you can do anyway. But at least they know someone gives a shit.

    (Heh, one time I saw some dudebros in a truck following two early-twentysomething girls home on Halloween. The girls circled the block three times, growing more and more terrified, obviously not wanting these dudebros to know where they lived. The dudebros were grinning, thinking these girls were “teasing them.”

    By the second time around, I went into a bodega and bought a Four-Loko, those awful fizzy alcoholic drinks. The third time around, I shook the can, beckoned the dudebros to open their window, then popped the can and threw it into the cab of their truck. Fizzy grape beer-Kool Aid exploded all over the dudebros, spraying the inside of their shitty vehicle, and the girls got away. The dudebros tried to attack me for “being a cockblocking bitch” [duh, dudes, if the girls had wanted you, they would have stayed to defend you], but a bunch of bystanders [most of them dudes] stepped in and let -me- get away.

    Funny that they snapped to action after I took initiative, but otherwise would have been completely happy to watch the assholes stalk two girls to the raping, I mean breaking point.)

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  51. northernsea

    Yes, yes, and yes. In the moment you do what you can do. Love you woman, Joy. It is not just calling the police, but actually doing something that helps, even though it seems trivial at the time. It is that instinct to do something, anything, that will help and it is in the moment that you find what to do. You can’t think it out, you just act and you act because what you see is fucking wrong. Because, you know that is what you would want someone to do for you. (even though they don’t) rhondda

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  52. Jilla

    Joy you’re a role model for all of us Joy.

    Hey. When are you setting up your rad fem post/blog honours/award/carnival?

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  53. joy

    Nah, Jilla, I’m just very angry and it will probably someday get me killed. It’s already got me committed to mental institutions and labeled “borderline” and “paranoid.”

    (Which is so hard to admit — because when you admit to such a thing, then I feel it casts a shadow of doubt on what I’ve said and done. “Well, maybe she just IS borderline/paranoid/autistic*!”)

    I’d get right on my carnival, but at this point most of my readers ARE my carnival. I promise I’ll link to appropriate posts once I start writing heavier things, though!

    * What I got labeled as when I refused to perform femininity, laugh at misogynist humor**, and accept what the patriarchy tells us is appropriate translation of body language (no, a stranger or someone who has been abusive getting too close to me is not complimentary; a man cornering and trapping or following a woman is also not affectionate or appropriate behavior).
    The thing is, it’s not that I don’t know what social subtleties mean — I DO know what these subtleties mean, and they are insulting to my humanity and the humanity of other women. I refuse to perform them or accept them. Apparently that is also a disease. Thanks, medical establishment.

    ** I have a very droll, absurd, intellectual, and yet almost innocent sense of humor, and I think doctors got angry thinking I was smarter than they were. The nerve of that uppity little bitch! Who does she think she is?!

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  54. Jilla

    Well maybe you are. Or I am. Or any of us here. But that doesn’t mean everything we perceive or know or fear comes under those labels. Anyway, paranoia just means “I’m not afraid of that, therefore, her fear of it is irrational”.

    LOL. Yes, it’s just one big carnival around the rad fem blogs. We used to have a Carnival of Radical Feminists. IT was great. It’s gone quiet, but still online, if you didn’t know about it..

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  55. northernsea

    Joy, you are not alone. I was committed too, by my father who was cheating on my mom and knew I knew and he wanted to shut me up. He forced a pill on me which made me quite unintelligible and then told the doctors I was nuts. My saving grace was I went in voluntarily and so I could get out voluntarily. I curse him to this day for it took me forever to figure out what had happened. I see it now as a chemical lobotomy. I absolutely hate doctors. Mary Daly talks about gynecologists and psychologists who fuck up women. Every medical problem I have ever had can be traced to doctor fuck-ups, but of course I would not be believed in that for they are gods in this society.
    rhondda

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  56. Jilla

    “Every medical problem I have ever had can be traced to doctor fuck-ups, but of course I would not be believed in that for they are gods in this society.”

    I believe you.

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  57. radicalesbian

    Hi FAB Libber. I’m mostly a lurker, but know some of the commenters here, both through Facebutt and IRL. Nice to see another radfem blog.

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  58. FAB Libber

    Should I change my handle to Fabbity?
    It was kind of growing on me.
    Or is it a bit too much like rabbity!

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  59. FAB Libber

    FABatrocious – oh noes.
    I am not a real meanie, I just pretend sometimes. Helps with the cyber-cred.

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  60. Mary Sunshine

    So, when you’re not being atrocious, you can just be a FABitty fabbit. Or a wascally Fabbit. Or …

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