At the recent “waddabout teh twanzwomen?” thread at Twisty’s (and strange how that really sounds similar to waddabout teh menz). It was decided by the dedicated Twisty groupies that Twanz=AOK. The thread is a mega one, and bound to be good blog fodder pickings for months to come. Broken links below.
This little gem comes from commentor “evie” (not sure if evie is trans or just a trans-supporter) My emphasis:
February 11, 2011 at 10:59 am
m Andrea “So when we have a bunch of people who say “oh of course I was born in the wrong body and I must really be a woman BECAUSE — and this is their reason so pay attention — I feel like performing traditionally coded girly activies“.”
This is not what they say, usually. This is what some people said, way back in the days when sexist, homophobic medics would deny treatment to anyone not giving that reason. As the profession has got more enlightened, so trans people can be freer about what their actual inclinations and personalities are. There are tons of dykey trans women, and tons of campy trans men. Really. If some trans people do propagate gender norms by their behaviour or self-description, surely they deserve no more vitriol than cis people who do the same.
Most trans people transition because they are deeply unhappy with certain physcial aspects of their body. There is growing evidence that this is neurological: the brain expects a body of a certain kind, and feels crap when presented with evidence to the contrary. The only successful method of easing that discomfort is physical change. See Zoe Brain’s first post.
So, all this “feel like a woman” stuff were just lies in order to get ‘sexist, homophobic medics’ to give trans treatment and surgeries. Fair enough I suppose. But! How come transactivists barged onto feminist blogs, roughly four years ago, claiming the exact same thing?
Were radical feminists performing SRS and giving out hormone treatment?
I don’t recall so. In fact, I think I could confidently say, we were not. So why bother lying to us, particularly when you are trying to maintain you want our alliance and support?
Of course, the funfems swallowed this lie, hook line and sinker. Gulp! On the Twisty thread (later) you can see lots of trans-supporters declaring “Trans are my sisters!”. Yep, and I am Sparticus. How terribly supportive of you, trans-supporters. Tell me, if Idi Amin or Hitler threw on a dress and declared they felt like women, would you support them as well? Well, dammit if you aren’t just denying them their “human rights” to dress like a woman! By funfem reasoning, anyone who (online I might add) declares they “feel like a woman” has the door held wide open for them. Mind you, as most of this happens online, the trans in question could look like this:
the alternative of course is that they HAVE been lying all this time, or that they are lying now, to get their SRS, just like they said. in which case, all of these trans-critical posts and the above graph will be most useful to the fun-fems, who have fucking believed all transwomens shit this entire time, and actually convinced themselves that it made sense. when it clearly doesnt.
what do the fun-fems say, when the transwomen admit that they have been lying the whole time, just to get their SRS? when in fact (as FAB libber mentions) its not the FEMINISTS who are giving out SRS. so why lie to us?
what excuse would the fun-fems make for transwomen who admit they have been lying to them the whole time? say that it was all just “survival lies” and forgive them? what excuse do they allow just regular (non-trans) men who lie to women constantly too?
damn this shit is chilling. it really fucking is.
Excellent point FCM. Are women so conditioned (and blinded) by patriarchy that when men’s lies are exposed, they will “forgive them”? Apparently so. It does not seem to matter what men do to women, they will forgive them. Even trying to blow up your pregnant wife (and son) with a grenade is ‘worthy’ of forgiveness, or at the very least, not hating him. How terribly understanding. If it were me, I would at least be very very angry, and I would at least despise him for a long period of time afterward. So we have established the parameters, it does not matter what men do to women, from daily lies to attempted murder, we are conditioned to ‘forgive and understand’. I posit another solution, anger, a demand that behaviour of that sort is not tolerated, and punishment for those actions. None of this turn-the-other-cheek stuff and let bygones be bygones.
So, getting back to our lovely online transactivists, the ones who lied to feminists for so very long. How will the funfem community react to the revelation? My guess, is roll over and take some more.
And yes, the main trans (M2?) argument was always “I have always felt like a woman inside … trapped in the wrong body”. There are comments after comments of this stuff from trans, including such over-the-top bullshit such as “I have always felt like a woman, even from the age of four”. Seriously dude? You felt like an adult human female when you were a pre-schooler. Even four year old girls don’t “feel like women”, so freakshow, get some psychiatric help and real fast, you are one sick puppy.
I think many radfems were open to what transactivists said when they first appeared around the blogosphere. We gave them that chance, to present their case, and this was the type of crap they came up with. Unconvincing to say the least. That led many radfems to start questioning transgender and trans-sexuality, and why the preoccupation trans had with wanting into women-only spaces. Of course, some radfems were very quick to see through all of this. I will try to find some “I feel like a woman” links, there must be hundreds. Probably looking over at the
TransWord F-Word would yield the proof. Before you inflict the F-Word upon yourself, it is worthwhile to know that many radfems (female-born) are banned, whilst trans (male-born) are treated with respect, understanding and deference, so have your barf bucket ready.
So the (“twanzphobic!!”) radfem position on the exposure of the main transactivist lie? We knew it. It did not make sense. Even the few of us that tolerate males, do not tolerate males that lie. And you can GTFO of FAAB-only spaces.